Back in the UK on 'Trying Times', James is now singing the lyric "I don't have ambitions" in the song 'Didn't Come To Argue'. Is the lack of ambition a result of being ground down by Los Angeles life? Or should we frame it in a positive way, in terms of living in the moment and enjoying what you have, as the song feels uplifting and energised rather than desolate or bereft?
"That song is about leaving society because you've had enough. So it's not that optimistic," he laughs. "But it's in a beautiful way. 'I'm gonna run away to the mountains and just enjoy some fucking peace' kind of vibe. Also, it's the struggle that led you there and that feeling of, you know, 'I'm out of here anyway'. That's one of the lyrics in that. 'Well, I'm out of here. I'm out of here anyway'. It doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter what happens from here because I'm one foot out of the door. I don't need this version of society. I don't need this version of life. I'm planning my escape. I don't need to care what people think. I don't need to care about what I'm supposed to do."
It's a liberating feeling that runs throughout the album. "That's why this song sounds uplifting and liberated. Even though it sounds pessimistic, really, it's seeing beyond the veil, you know, behind the veil, and going, 'Oh, it's actually all nonsense. I'm actually fine. Yeah. I can go. I can leave'."
Elsewhere, on the concluding track '
Just A Little Higher', James emphasises just why people have a desire to completely withdraw and escape from the hellscape of modern society. It feels like a weary clarion call that urges people to open their minds to a threat that gets more insidious every day. "Adjust your sights," James sings - but who exactly is he calling on here?
"It's not addressed to humanity at all. It's not even addressed to me," he explains. "It's addressed to people who think the problem is some group that is somehow, in some way, the reason that they can't have what they want. We've had a lot of conversations like that in this country, with the rise of leaders who are turning us against each other. Yeah, yeah. There's always a financial and political reason why it's great to have us infighting. That's why it's profitable to run accounts that are just churning out stuff that points the finger at a certain group or whatever.
"That song was written at a time when there were these kinds of white nationalist protests being organised. It was a fearful time in our country. People were afraid to leave the house. If you weren't the right colour, you were afraid to leave your house. It was scary to think that that could happen in our country. But even scarier to feel that it doesn't come from real information. As my girlfriend often says, we're not having different reactions to the same information. We're having different reactions to different information. Because we're all in our own algorithm bubbles, right?
"We now know from Cambridge Analytica and all that kind of stuff that they can just find out what your general interests are and then just target you with a bunch of propaganda separately from other people who are not seeing that same stuff. So if you're a man of a certain age and you're white, then you're quite literally on a list of people who are being sent different information, fearful information about people who don't look like you."
The song concludes by addressing the people who are orchestrating these troubled, trying times with the line "cause they're playing us from a great height". "The message of that song, for me, is self-evident when you listen to it, but it's to say that the real target is above," says James clearly. "Above all of it is who you should really be looking at, who are untouched by any of this. They're not in the streets, they're not in your local, they're not in your school or your place of work. They live in rarefied air. And they're pulling these strings. It's hard to see it when most of your view is taken up by this kind of internet pipeline. This song is not blaming. It has empathy for viewpoints that I disagree with, and I think are dangerous, but it is saying there's a much more nefarious target that you're not even taking into consideration here."
A song like 'Just A Little Higher' is the sort of political and social statement that marks James' writing out as more important than ever. He has a defined sense of purpose, arguably stronger than at any point in his career. Creatively and professionally free and emotionally open, he's on a new path of enlightenment. "I want to prove the model," he says stridently. "Creativity has often been linked to depression and anxiety. They're not linked. If anything, depression and anxiety don't make you more creative; they make you less creative. They block you. What potentially makes you more creative is having real emotional reactions to real life, not perpetual broken PTSD mechanisms that are responding to things that happened 25 years ago, that keep playing out, and then you just write about the same thing over and over again, and you run out of cool ways to say it.
"There's nothing creative about depression," he continues, his voice rising. "Depression makes you feel nothing. So what causes depression, though? It's repressed rage. It's giving up your control and it's self-betrayal. Those things are almost mandatory when you sign the wrong contract, and you enter into an industry full of people who may or may not have your best interests in mind, right?
"The amount of repressed rage I've had for so long cannot be directed at any one person, one thing, because it's a group effort. The corporate effort. The purpose of a corporation is to literally distance the individual from responsibility - personal culpability. So you're putting music, which is the most sensitive thing on Earth, and a musician, which is one of the most sensitive types of person on Earth, in a situation where they are dealing with something that has absolutely no culpability or responsibility and has a relentless drive for profit. It doesn't really care about your art, but has made a bet that if it makes high turnover and doesn't actually develop artists and support them, then it will make more money. That bet works for a while, and now it's actually not working."